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Requested move at Talk:DeAnna Price#Requested move 12 August 2024
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:DeAnna Price#Requested move 12 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Armand Duplantis#Requested move 11 August 2024
[edit]There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Armand Duplantis#Requested move 11 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Laura Robson
[edit]Laura Robson has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 14:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Hal Henning
[edit]Hal Henning is a new article that needs to be assessed. Could someone from this WikiProject take a look at it? -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Judo event titles
[edit]Per the results book [1] and qualification system [2], the 'weight classes' such as middleweight are not used in the event name. However, we use them. Should we not be using them if the IOC/IJF is not? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- The IJF defined and uses weight class names. See page 24 of the IJF Sport and Organisation Rules. CLalgo (talk) 08:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Request for navbox for Olympic cauldron
[edit]I'd like to ask this project to consider creating Template:Olympic cauldron based on the entries in Category:Olympic cauldron. I think this would reduce See also sections across entries. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Done, feel free to tweak as necessary. Primefac (talk) 20:27, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Primefac Looks great, thank you! ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
There are currently two RFCs at Talk:Imane Khelif. Interested editors are invited to participate at Talk:Imane Khelif/Archive 4#RfC lead and Talk:Imane Khelif#RfC on weight of "misinformation" in lead. TarnishedPathtalk 10:49, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Acknowledge that China tied with US in golds in lead?
[edit]An editor is disputing me that for this year's Paris Olympics, that we should not mention second place country in lead. I have reason[3] to believe they really just want remove a brief sentence that China had tied with USA on gold medals in lead as that info is unpleasant to them. In the past 5 Olympics from 2004 to 2020, Wikipedia have always consistently acknowledged at least the top 3 medal winning countries in lead. And I think we should continue the same for this year. Making a sudden unusual break in patterns now all to finally avoid mentioning that china tied with usa on golds in lead, doesn't seem like NPOV editing to me. Evibeforpoli (talk) 19:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Mass edits to athlete infoboxes
[edit]Hello, just sharing a heads-up. I don't know if this is something that has been agreed upon or not, but 178.255.168.37 (talk · contribs) has been making plenty of edits today to insert the olympic rings in athletes' infoboxes. See this edit to Willie May. Shazback (talk) 07:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't realise this was a mass-edit sort of thing, but I saw this in a handful of articles doing some other template maintenance and removed it; I do not think the image is either necessary or helpful. Primefac (talk) 12:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree that it should be removed. Kante4 (talk) 14:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've reverted about 3/4 of their edits, which were all +39s only adding the flag. There are still a couple dozen edits that will need to be checked. Primefac (talk) 15:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Reverted a couple more and Fyunck(click) (talk · contribs) aswell. A note should be made on their talk page explaining the removal(s) i guess...? Kante4 (talk) 16:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I put one on their talk page that Olympic Rings should not be added. Fyunck(click) (talk) 16:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. Kante4 (talk) 16:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I put one on their talk page that Olympic Rings should not be added. Fyunck(click) (talk) 16:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Reverted a couple more and Fyunck(click) (talk · contribs) aswell. A note should be made on their talk page explaining the removal(s) i guess...? Kante4 (talk) 16:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've reverted about 3/4 of their edits, which were all +39s only adding the flag. There are still a couple dozen edits that will need to be checked. Primefac (talk) 15:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree that it should be removed. Kante4 (talk) 14:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
There's a lot more where that came from
[edit]I've just come across similar issues, like this edit by 108.21.67.83. There are thousands more where that came from; would it be worth someone (not me) using AWB or similar to remove them? They're also an accessibility problem for screen reader users like me as they have no captions or alt text. Graham87 (talk) 10:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wow... that's a lot. I am not skilled enough for AWB so maybe someone can help? Kante4 (talk) 10:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was going to send a request to Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks but thought it'd be best to get consensus first here. Or maybe someone here could do it ... you get almost the same results by restricting the search to the article namespace ... Graham87 (talk) 10:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Welcome to Paris 2024 - again!
[edit]I know many of you are aware but just a little reminder that the 2024 Summer Paralympics kicked off with tonight's opening ceremony. It would be great if we could keep the pages up to date in the same way we did during the Olympics. And let's try and turn all those red links for Paralympians blue, the sources are out there somewhere to write the stories of all these incredible athletes. We do have a Paralympics Taskforce as well. Cheers - Basement12 (T.C) 23:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Tennis at the X Olympics
[edit]Back in June, "Qwerty284651" without consensus updated the tennis at the x Olympics to go against currently presented MOS at the two examples [4] and [5]. What I am referring to is the Medalists table here, which the consensus (across both examples and all other Olympic articles afaik) include "see details"
And so forth...
As far as I am aware, there is no consensus for this change, so bringing it to the talk page of this project. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite. @Qwerty284651: and other editors changed it back to longstanding consensus after YOU started changing things. Goodness. Wasnt one ANI enough for you? Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Please stop lying. Please go look at the edit history of the article and provide difs of what you are saying. In June all the articles were changed by "Qwerty284651" without consensus. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Sportsfan 1234, WP:OLYMPICS MOS style is flawed as multiple articles across different sports follow their own order of section layout i.e. MOS style, different from the one listed at the olympics project guidelines. Qwerty284651 (talk) 23:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, but that's not what the discussion is about. If you read what I wrote, I am referring to the Medalists table, which I cannot find any difference from past years. You unilaterally changed them without consensus. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- There was consensus in the tennis wikiproject until you started changing every single olympic page in 2024 to fit your idea of WP:OLYMPICS MOS, which you were then reverted by multiple editors. Only you. One editor. Qwerty284651 (talk) 00:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, that is a lie. YOU changed the medalists table format in June for the three above (and I suspect the rest). There was NO CONSENSUS to do so. You have failed repeatedly to show where there is consensus on the medalists table, and you both have failed to provide a reference to this so called consensus. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Where is consensus on the olympics page or in its guidelines that say EVERY single page should follow the same exact, down to a tee, medal summary order or layout that you so adamantly preach? Each sport's project guidelines has their own layout. How can you not understand that? Qwerty284651 (talk) 00:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again for the 100th time, this is an OLYMPIC article not a tennis article. The guidelines of WP:OLYMPICS state: "Set up consistent structural and graphical layouts for displaying data on theme-specific articles." If we used sport specific criteria, we would have 32 different articles, which defeats the purpose of this project. I am only talking about the table here, which universally across ALL articles are formatted the same, until YOU decided to change them. And again, you have failed to provide a reference to consensus. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- That is a bold faced lie! It's not any type of article and does not belong to any project. Usually project overlap finds some compromise... perhaps there is some here. What if both the name and the added details link to the same place? It's not the best but readers coming from both walks of life would link the way they are used to. The problem with that is all the tennis project articles link cleanly without the need for an extra "detail" section, and the olympic project articles are all over the place through the years.... there doesn't seem to be a standard except for the whim of those demanding one for 2024. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again for the 100th time, this is an OLYMPIC article not a tennis article. The guidelines of WP:OLYMPICS state: "Set up consistent structural and graphical layouts for displaying data on theme-specific articles." If we used sport specific criteria, we would have 32 different articles, which defeats the purpose of this project. I am only talking about the table here, which universally across ALL articles are formatted the same, until YOU decided to change them. And again, you have failed to provide a reference to consensus. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Where is consensus on the olympics page or in its guidelines that say EVERY single page should follow the same exact, down to a tee, medal summary order or layout that you so adamantly preach? Each sport's project guidelines has their own layout. How can you not understand that? Qwerty284651 (talk) 00:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, that is a lie. YOU changed the medalists table format in June for the three above (and I suspect the rest). There was NO CONSENSUS to do so. You have failed repeatedly to show where there is consensus on the medalists table, and you both have failed to provide a reference to this so called consensus. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- There was consensus in the tennis wikiproject until you started changing every single olympic page in 2024 to fit your idea of WP:OLYMPICS MOS, which you were then reverted by multiple editors. Only you. One editor. Qwerty284651 (talk) 00:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, but that's not what the discussion is about. If you read what I wrote, I am referring to the Medalists table, which I cannot find any difference from past years. You unilaterally changed them without consensus. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- To try and broker the peace, instead of arguing over who first edited against consensus, can we try for a productive discussion on which, if any, applicable MOS is best at presenting information to the readers for these articles? Kingsif (talk) 00:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Both examples in listed for this project [9] and [10] have the 'see details' on the Medalists table. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- First of all, it's "details", not "see details". Second, I truncated the links instead of saying discipline and then underneath "details" linking to the "discipline", I added a piped link linking to the same discipline. Plus, break lines cause unexpected pauses for screen reader users. And it's a cleaner look in mobile view. What's wrong with that? Qwerty284651 (talk) 00:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- So all the link functionality is still there and there’s improved accessibility? Looks like a good option. Kingsif (talk) 00:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Where did I say something was wrong with it? I brought it here for consensus to apply (or not apply) across WP:OLYMPICS articles. Its a pretty big change (all articles will be effected), so consensus should be reached first. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, you did say it defeated the purpose of this project. And please remember that other editors are happy to find compromises and not enforce consistency for consistency’s sake, it doesn’t need to be all or nothing. Kingsif (talk) 01:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- It does defeat the purpose if we are building out sport specific guidelines. That's why I started this discussion. I did not state my opinion on the issue in my first message and would like consensus for this project, so it can be applied in other articles besides tennis. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Sportsfan 1234, I don't want this change implemented in other sport's projects and, frankly, I don't care what preference/style their projects use, I just changed the details to a regular piped link in the tennis articles. Qwerty284651 (talk) 01:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's your prerogative. If your change goes against all other WP:OLYMPIC articles and makes sense then it should be applied across all articles, and if it doesn't then none should have it . Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- If you want it applied across all sports, regular and disabled (paralympics), and that would include all years and summer/winter, then you would probably need an RFC or something at WP:SPORTS, because it does affect other sports projects and goes beyond just WP:OLYMPICS. Looking at all 4 categories: Category:Sports at the Winter Olympics and Category:Sports at the Summer Olympics, Category:Sports at the Summer Paralympics and Category:Sports at the Winter Paralympics, that is a LOT of articles to update. Qwerty284651 (talk) 01:19, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
That's your prerogative
And, no, I don't see it as a prerogative, i.e. 'right' or 'privilege' of any sort (I don't own any article on Wikipedia, this is first and foremost for the users and readers visiting Wikipedia), but moreso as an improvement to tennis articles. And that's tennis only, where the majority of my editing happens. Other sports, as much as I would love to focus on, are just not in my interest nor do I have the time for. Qwerty284651 (talk) 01:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's your prerogative. If your change goes against all other WP:OLYMPIC articles and makes sense then it should be applied across all articles, and if it doesn't then none should have it . Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Sportsfan 1234, I don't want this change implemented in other sport's projects and, frankly, I don't care what preference/style their projects use, I just changed the details to a regular piped link in the tennis articles. Qwerty284651 (talk) 01:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- It does defeat the purpose if we are building out sport specific guidelines. That's why I started this discussion. I did not state my opinion on the issue in my first message and would like consensus for this project, so it can be applied in other articles besides tennis. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, you did say it defeated the purpose of this project. And please remember that other editors are happy to find compromises and not enforce consistency for consistency’s sake, it doesn’t need to be all or nothing. Kingsif (talk) 01:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, just saying an MOS exists when there’s 1. other guidelines and 2. pushback against your application of MOS, is not an argument for force-applying it. Kingsif (talk) 00:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- First of all, it's "details", not "see details". Second, I truncated the links instead of saying discipline and then underneath "details" linking to the "discipline", I added a piped link linking to the same discipline. Plus, break lines cause unexpected pauses for screen reader users. And it's a cleaner look in mobile view. What's wrong with that? Qwerty284651 (talk) 00:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Both examples in listed for this project [9] and [10] have the 'see details' on the Medalists table. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Infobox - most gold medals - when two nations tie
[edit]So, at the 2024 Summer Olympics medal table, two nations each won 40 gold medals. Discussion at Talk:2024 Summer Olympics medal table seems to be at an impasse, so I'm escalating this to the project level. In what order, and for what reason, should the two nations be listed?
China (40) and 
United States (40), based on alphabetical order- United States (40) and China (40), based on total medals
- United States (40) and China (40), based on silver medals
- Tie (40), see table, to avoid the issue
- China (40) and United States (40), for some other reason
- United States (40) and China (40), for some other reason
Hopefully more input can help us form a clear(er) consensus. —C.Fred (talk) 16:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- The primary discussion appears to be at Talk:2024 Summer Olympics medal table § Which country to list first in tie for "most gold medals", let's not start multiple discussions in multiple locations. Primefac (talk) 17:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Merge discussion
[edit]Hi, I've started a merge discussion at Talk:List of Olympic mascots#Merge discussion. I would appreciate if people could discuss to help reach a decision. Thanks. Di (they-them) (talk) 20:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Jermain Taylor
[edit]Jermain Taylor has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 07:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Article infobox discussion
[edit]I have started a discussion about the infobox use in Olympics and other sporting event articles, please join in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports § Using an infobox directly in the body and if we should make a new template. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 13:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Michelle Smith#Requested move 23 August 2024
[edit]There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Michelle Smith#Requested move 23 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 16:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Independent Olympians
[edit]I'm tired of seeing a slow-burning edit war on this meta page, so I started a discussion to hopefully get some consensus going on an issue. Please join in the discussion here. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 12:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Matt Byrne
[edit]Matt Byrne has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)